Opting out of MyHealthRecord scheme by 15th October

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Re: Opting out of MyHealthRecord scheme by 15th October

Post by BazzBass » 12 Aug 2018, 12:49

I'll say it now, one of the first things they'll do with these records is take the dole away from soneone that their records show are using illicit drugs.
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Re: Opting out of MyHealthRecord scheme by 15th October

Post by We_r_Me » 13 Aug 2018, 07:25

I opted out for one main reason. Years ago I read my hospital records, and they're incredibly inaccurate and out of date.. And if I was ever in the situation where those records would be used to formulate some sort of treatment, I'd prefer if those decisions were made using accurate information. Imho no information is better than inaccurate information...

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Re: Opting out of MyHealthRecord scheme by 15th October

Post by We_r_Me » 13 Aug 2018, 07:32

BazzBass wrote:
12 Aug 2018, 12:49
I'll say it now, one of the first things they'll do with these records is take the dole away from soneone that their records show are using illicit drugs.
Very ago point BazzBass. The government looked into this a while ago didn't they? I guess having personal records on hand circumvents the need to drug test welfare recipients.

Anything which your GP puts on the records will be available to police as well.

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Re: Opting out of MyHealthRecord scheme by 15th October

Post by packrat » 13 Aug 2018, 09:12

But the minister went on radio shows and lied about that. We have to listen to what he said before his embarrassing backdown, right?

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Re: Opting out of MyHealthRecord scheme by 15th October

Post by cleary » 13 Aug 2018, 10:08

irvinz wrote:
11 Aug 2018, 13:00
I guess these things will be on the last things on our mind when we are sick. Just thought i’ll be a small lil voice sitting on the other side :)

Like gear preference. Your experience may vary.
I'll add another alternate voice -
Yes, there are great benefits to having mass health records.
The current MyHealthRecord is a very poor implementation attempting to provide this benefit

This is unlikely to be the only time it is ever attempted, but it _is_ likely to burn any further redesigns in the near future.

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Re: Opting out of MyHealthRecord scheme by 15th October

Post by Andrew92 » 04 Sep 2018, 13:02

just an anecdote.

I used to work for Department of Health (7 years) and currently work for a company in perth whos health software is Myhealth record compatible.

Delete it ASAP. you have no idea just how its being used. I dont want to sound like Alex Jones but delete it. It takes a few minutes, you'll be glad you did.
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Post by packrat » 04 Sep 2018, 13:20

If you *can* delete it. The interface to do so is byzantine and full of unfathomable (and unexplained) failure modes that force you to placidly go along or waste a bunch of time on the phone.

But is worth it.

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Re: Opting out of MyHealthRecord scheme by 15th October

Post by Petebass » 04 Sep 2018, 13:48

Crikey there's a lot of bass players with a lot of things to hide. There's nothing incriminating in my health records. And quite frankly, I was amazed that my GP had absolutely no idea I'd had cancer, surgery, then chemo last year all because I just happened to go to a different (closer) GP on the day my testicle blew up like a balloon. I'd prefer he had access to those records.
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Re: Opting out of MyHealthRecord scheme by 15th October

Post by packrat » 04 Sep 2018, 15:23

Petebass wrote:
04 Sep 2018, 13:48
Crikey there's a lot of bass players with a lot of things to hide. There's nothing incriminating in my health records. And quite frankly, I was amazed that my GP had absolutely no idea I'd had cancer, surgery, then chemo last year all because I just happened to go to a different (closer) GP on the day my testicle blew up like a balloon. I'd prefer he had access to those records.
Where do you stand on your blood relations being unable to get insurance because of your medical history?

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Post by Petebass » 04 Sep 2018, 15:40

packrat wrote:
04 Sep 2018, 15:23
Petebass wrote:
04 Sep 2018, 13:48
Crikey there's a lot of bass players with a lot of things to hide. There's nothing incriminating in my health records. And quite frankly, I was amazed that my GP had absolutely no idea I'd had cancer, surgery, then chemo last year all because I just happened to go to a different (closer) GP on the day my testicle blew up like a balloon. I'd prefer he had access to those records.
Where do you stand on your blood relations being unable to get insurance because of your medical history?

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I worked in Financial Planning for many years, so I'm well versed on life and trauma insurance. They already ask a lot of questions about your and your family's past medical history, and already factor this into the decision whether or not to insure you, or to add a loading on your premiums. The only difference IMO is they no longer have to ask you and threaten you with duty of disclosure to make you tell the truth.

It's actually a myth that the medical people are active in the underwriting process. The fact is it's the actuaries that make decisions based on medical probabilities. And IMO, there's nothing wrong with that. If you have a medical condition that makes you more likely to claim on the policy, then fair enough. If that condition is hereditary, again fair enough!
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Re: Opting out of MyHealthRecord scheme by 15th October

Post by packrat » 04 Sep 2018, 15:47

See, that's not how universal health insurance needs to work. The point is not to scoop out just the healthy people and leave everyone else to rot in the gutter, as per the US.

And nobody is suggesting medical people will be doing the calculations, only that these medical records are going to be sold to industry, just as a myhealth certified provider was caught selling doctors appointment information to lawyers this year.

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Post by packrat » 04 Sep 2018, 15:48

And that's leaving aside the regrettable habit of this government to give confidential files to the press when the mood takes them.

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Post by slowlearner » 04 Sep 2018, 15:52

One of my kids was born with a truckload of health issues. Her medical file is literally as thick as the yellow pages. During her first year of life she had more than twenty different specialists. Taking her to a regular GP is like turning up to a Toyota dealership with a vintage Ferrari. The blood drains from their faces and they don't even know how to open the bonnet. Our old family doctor looked panicked every time we took her there. Amusing to watch, but not very helpful. So you can imagine why I think it's a good idea that any hospital or doctor in Australia could open her file if anything went wrong.

I appreciate there could be issues with privacy, but then if ASIO wants to know anything about me I'm sure they could find it in 15 seconds. Just by being on this forum, I've no doubt donated enough free personal data to get me into trouble. So weighing up the risks, I'm with Petebass on this one. I think it's worth it.
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Re: Opting out of MyHealthRecord scheme by 15th October

Post by Petebass » 04 Sep 2018, 15:56

packrat wrote:
04 Sep 2018, 15:47
See, that's not how universal health insurance needs to work. The point is not to scoop out just the healthy people and leave everyone else to rot in the gutter, as per the US.
Actually that's exactly the premise under which the insurance industry works, and not just health insurance. Those who don't need it don't take it out. Those who "might" need it do, and the profit comes from those that take it out but don't make a claim. Those who really, really need it are probably going to cost the insurer more money than the premiums they stand to collect, so they are either rejected, or are made to pay higher premiums.
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Re: Opting out of MyHealthRecord scheme by 15th October

Post by packrat » 04 Sep 2018, 17:25

And that's why for profit health insurance isn't at all a reasonable substitute for universal health cover.

Once health data is being sold and leaked out of MyHealthRecords, anyone related to someone with health problems won't be able to get insurance, they won't be employed by employers looking to avoid sick days and a bunch of other consequences.

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