Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by narcdor » 16 Aug 2018, 12:34

So you're saying certain people shouldn't be allowed into the country, sure. The definition of which people is too complex, ok, but in essence ideology must fit with ours as a nation. Defining that would also be extremely complex. It seems like a slippery slope when you bring ideology of religion into it and that would be departing from secular immigration. So what exactly are you proposing should change in the immigration policy then? Some kind of core values test?
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by noplanb » 16 Aug 2018, 13:49

ideology must fit with ours as a nation
Yes, but kind of round another way - Sharia is incompatible with anything but Sharia culture - it is insidiously seditious.
The unfolding of it is also complex, but the results of the effects of Sharia culture are smacking the West in the face many times daily.
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by vin-tone » 16 Aug 2018, 14:22

We have one law in Australia and always will. There's a precedent for this: Indigenous Customary law. It's not recognised. It's not an issue. Never will be bc like certain applications of sharia law - the corporal punishment can be brutal thus unnacceptible in Australia.

If Sharia law becomes close to being an issue in this country (which it ISN'T) we'll deal with it then. This "insidiously seditious" argument swings both ways - racism is ALSO insidious.... and arguing for cultural/social exclusion leads to stigma -> segregation -> etc.

This all sounds like my Dad - the guy is practically hiding under the bed bc the moozies are out to cut off his head. He also blames the lack of tinsel in the local restaurant at XMas time on commie pinko unions.
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by narcdor » 16 Aug 2018, 15:03

Sharia is part of a religion and as such out of bounds for this discussion. What else should immigration officials be on the lookout for?
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by veebass » 16 Aug 2018, 15:49

narcdor wrote:
16 Aug 2018, 15:03
Sharia is part of a religion and as such out of bounds for this discussion. What else should immigration officials be on the lookout for?
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by noplanb » 16 Aug 2018, 16:22

we'll deal with it then
That's no doubt what all the European countries said - why will we be different?
One example - about which you could say, 'who cares?' - but it sets a precedent like all things in law.
01/08/2018
Sharia law has been recognised by a British court for the first time after a judge made a landmark divorce ruling which could change the way Islamic marriage and divorce works in the UK. The High Court ruled that an estranged couple's Islamic faith marriage, conducted in a ceremony called a nikah, falls under British matrimonial law despite it not being legally recognised as such.
https://shariawatch.org.uk/
I totally agree with you about fighting it at law - but that doesn't work when the people making the laws now want them to favour Sharia, as they represent that constituency. The more migrants with Sharia culture that you have, the more the law changes - even if through 'bending' as the UK experience shows.
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Post by noplanb » 16 Aug 2018, 16:27

"Mr Macron confessed that Islamic radicalism had also “won" in some neighbourhoods and was "in the process of winning" in others. He promised to share information with local mayors on individuals who figure on a terror watchlist and to step up the fight against racism and anti-Semitism."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... el-macron/
How much of this do you want to see and hear? *All* major Euro countries have this!
I'm saying if we don't see and hear it now, and do something humane about it, we will suffer the same fate with banlieu enclaves with local Sharia, violence etc. etc
PS You can call it 'just canon law' if you like, but you ain't fooling over 700 million folk in Europe who suffer from it's presence, directly or culturally, at some stage or other.
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Post by packrat » 16 Aug 2018, 16:50

We already have experienced a corruption of local law by religion, but nobody seems to be talking about the catholic police who aggressively covered up reports of catholic paedophile priests. For some strange reason, everyone involved on the Christian side wants to point fingers at any other religion instead.

They're all terrible, which is why we should have secular immigration and secular education and get rid of the taint of religion entirely.

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by veebass » 16 Aug 2018, 16:51

Here you go.

Warning: Catherine Murphy leaves some robust language in the article below.

This article tells you everything you need to know about Mr Anning, Mr Katter and One Nation. They are playing the people who support them for complete fools. They are using people's fear of Muslimgeddon to play them.

I haven't laughed so hard in ages as when I read the article below. This whole thing just cost Katter big time. Some unions had supported him, despite strong advice to the contrary, because he SAID he was opposed to the ABCC and then stated after the last election that he would withdraw supply support for Malcolm's one seat majority government if it introduced anti union legislation. What was the DD all about? Well those unions have learned a lesson, Mr Katter follows the money. See not all unions do what the Labor Party tells them to do. Don't believe me? Check out the relationship between some of the teachers and The Greens as well.

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by veebass » 16 Aug 2018, 16:51

packrat wrote:
16 Aug 2018, 16:50
We already have experienced a corruption of local law by religion, but nobody seems to be talking about the catholic police who aggressively covered up reports of catholic paedophile priests. For some strange reason, everyone involved on the Christian side wants to point fingers at any other religion instead.

They're all terrible, which is why we should have secular immigration and secular education and get rid of the taint of religion entirely.
We do.
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Post by packrat » 16 Aug 2018, 16:54

We don't. A disproportionate amount of school funding goes to the big religious schools, and non-religious schools have religion and priests thrust upon them or face a funding penalty cut. (via Abbott's grotesque chaplaincy program)

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by veebass » 16 Aug 2018, 16:59

packrat wrote:
16 Aug 2018, 16:54
We don't. A disproportionate amount of school funding goes to the big religious schools, and non-religious schools have religion and priests thrust upon them or face a funding penalty cut. (via Abbott's grotesque chaplaincy program)

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You are right, sorry, I was distracted by the over emphasis on immigration and missed that you had mentioned education. Yes, I agree with you about education funding.
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by packrat » 16 Aug 2018, 17:11

I'll rephrase for clarity. We need to defend secular immigration from bad actors here or from Dutton, and we need to find the political will to finally get secular education.

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by noplanb » 16 Aug 2018, 17:41

'Secular' can become another 'free ticket' for abhorrent behaviour for immigration - do we really want immigrants with belief systems of polygamy, child marriage, FGM, suppression of women, etc, here in Australia?
It is hypocrisy of the highest order to (rightly) condemn the actions of certain (criminal) priests, organisation leaders, schoolteachers, for crimes against children, and yet not prohibit from immigrating here those from a culture that practise the above, and whats more, to start turning a blind eye to it in the name of multicultural tolerance or some such.
Call it what you want, but stop using labels to excuse bad stuff.
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by tearalong » 16 Aug 2018, 18:02

noplanb wrote:
16 Aug 2018, 17:41
'Secular' can become another 'free ticket' for abhorrent behaviour for immigration - do we really want immigrants with belief systems of polygamy, child marriage, FGM, suppression of women, etc, here in Australia?
It is hypocrisy of the highest order to (rightly) condemn the actions of certain (criminal) priests, organisation leaders, schoolteachers, for crimes against children, and yet not prohibit from immigrating those from a culture that practise the above, and whats more start turning a blind eye to it in the name of mulicultural tolerance or some such.
Call it what you want, but stop hiding behind labels.
Those fleeing from a culture that still does those things do not deserve to be barred because they come from such a place.
We have laws prohibiting those practices and breaching them is grounds for imprisonment and then revoking the visa.
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