Who uses a sealed 410?

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Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by FunkyJase » 12 Dec 2017, 11:53

Im curious as to how these sealed 410s sound. Im borrowing a rear ported Sovtek 410 at the moment and whilst is has a lot of low end, I find the articulate and clear sound that I get from my 1210 cannot be replicated through this thing.
I hear the sealed 410s have better punch and articulation but not as much low end. In some of the places I play, low end just turns to mud anyway so maybe thats not a bad thing...

Anyone use or swear by sealed cabs? What do you think of it? etc
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Aussie Mark » 12 Dec 2017, 11:56

I gigged a sealed Markbass CL104 (410) regularly for a couple of years until fairly recently - only sold because I'm not gigging so much and don't need as many cabs. It was far and away the best sounding 410 I've ever owned or played through, and sounded especially sweet with tube heads.

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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Fatso » 12 Dec 2017, 16:15

Ive turned over my cabs more times than i'm comfortable admitting but the Ampeg 410he is my favorite mid sized by far. Only reason i'm not using one regularly is weight. I played one as part of the backline recently and 'Ahhh, there's the tone'.

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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Ben B » 12 Dec 2017, 17:54

i used 2 x 410 hartke hydrive cabs with a LH1000 head for a while, and now im using a Peavey 810 with my Peavey VB3 300w tube head, which is effectively 4 sealed 2x10's.

Punch, clarity, tone in spades, but the low end is simply vicious. I love mine to bits. Its unstoppable with a precision bass.

Ive recently started using a Peavey max115 1x15 300w combo just for rehearsals, and its just not the same.
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by pete » 12 Dec 2017, 20:31

Hi,
I have the same Sovtek cab, and I am more than happy to seal up the port so you can borrow it and A/B with the ported version. I am at 3805. Let me know if your interested. The cab is currently serving as a rolling work bench, so won't be missed.
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Heath » 13 Dec 2017, 07:51

Not a 410 but I currently have a sealed 412 (berg nv412) rear ported 212 (tc rs212) and a front ported 310 (epifani t310).... the nv412 sounds massive, punchy and very articulate, the rear ported 212 has a heap of low end and is quite punchy but also very temperamental to the room, the front ported 310 has a butt ton of lows while remaining articulate.
I'd say using a sealed cab will sound more articulate than a ported and be more consistent sounding over a variety of rooms
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Petebass » 13 Dec 2017, 09:33

Anyone interested in the science of the sealed sound? If so, just ask and I'll post some graphs of some measurements I did of a 410 cab that came in both sealed and posted versions.
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Post by Bill Fitzmaurice » 13 Dec 2017, 09:50

Petebass wrote:
13 Dec 2017, 09:33
Anyone interested in the science of the sealed sound? If so, just ask and I'll post some graphs of some measurements I did of a 410 cab that came in both sealed and posted versions.
That might not be as useful as it seems, as drivers ideally suited for sealed cabs don't work so well ported, and drivers ideally suited for ported cabs don't work so well sealed. Some drivers do have specs that will work both ways, for example the Eminence BP1525. This compares a Simplexx 15 Bass cab, BP1525 woofer, sealed versus ported low frequency sensitivity:

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This compares their low frequency maximum SPL:

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The maximum SPL chart shows that sensitivity alone doesn't tell the whole story. A sealed cab relies on the cone alone for output, and when the driver runs out of excursion maximum output goes down. A ported cab shifts the load to the port down low, and at the same time reduces the cone excursion, so it will have higher maximum SPL than sealed. This situation applies to most ported versus sealed cabs.

You also can't say that there is a ported versus sealed sound. Most sealed cabs will have less sensitivity in the lows, but not all. If there was only one ported sound and one sealed sound then there would be only one model of sealed and one model of ported 4x10 sold, not the dozens that are out there.

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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by FunkyJase » 13 Dec 2017, 10:43

So I have no idea how the sensitivity, SPL etc all works...
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Heath » 13 Dec 2017, 10:49

FunkyJase wrote:
13 Dec 2017, 10:43
So I have no idea how the sensitivity, SPL etc all works...
ditto

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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Fatso » 13 Dec 2017, 11:49

Petebass wrote:
13 Dec 2017, 09:33
Anyone interested in the science of the sealed sound? If so, just ask and I'll post some graphs of some measurements I did of a 410 cab that came in both sealed and posted versions.
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Bill Fitzmaurice » 13 Dec 2017, 13:03

Guys, you're bass players. You're supposed to be the smart ones in the band. Moreover your instrument is the most demanding where gear is concerned. You don't need to become acoustical engineers, but you shouldn't be clueless either. This is a good a starting place as any to remedy that condition:
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Heath » 13 Dec 2017, 13:33

if it sounds good, it is good






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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by grooveinsyd » 13 Dec 2017, 13:54

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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Petebass » 13 Dec 2017, 16:54

Well the cabs I referred to before were SWR Golite cabs from several years ago (Hi David1234). I'm not sure they are the exact same drivers in each cab. They looked the same but that means nothing, only SWR would know for sure.

1) The Mustard coloured line is the ported 410.

2) The Green line is the sealed 410 (Marcus Miller model).

3) The Purple line can be ignored for the purposes of this thread. It's actually a measurement of 2 x 210 ported cabs. David was curious to see how it compared to a ported 410.



The graphs confirm what I heard with my ears on the day. The sealed cab was definitely less efficient, was "tighter" in the bottoms.

Now the thing to remember about sealed cabs is they started life as fridges. Usually when I come across hardcore, gushing, orgasmic love for sealed cabs, it's from owners of 810 or 412 versions, and one notable 610. That's understandable because the inefficiency problem more or less goes away with the use of so many drivers. But by the time you cut that down to 410s, I'm afraid the inefficiency thing could be problematic, especially if you're in a band with a loudish drummer. Add a loud guitarist as well and you could easily end up in a spot of bother.
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