many of the ORIGINAL SUB "made in USA" basses had the same "Ray pickup, no preamp.
as mentioned previously, they sound very similar, just without the steroids, tonewise
on a personal rant/note-
Yes, Stingrays ARE my favourite bass, bar none,
and so lets give the man the credit he truly deserves.
I'm talking about Leo Fender.
Leo was the one that designed this ground-breaking instrument and
introduced the key features that have given this bass its signatrure sound.
And sure, credit should be given to Ernie Ball for recognising what a monster bass it was,
and then buying the rights to the patent for it, so they could make them by the shipload
And lets face it, THAT alone turned them from a string and accessory maker ,
into a successful instrument manufacturer.
Sure, they added a couple of neck screws, and stuffed the preamp up (sorry, changed it)
and got rid of the string mutes and through stringing,
but thats hardly ground breaking stuff, compared to the way they carried on about their "innovations" with the bass.
Not only that, but after many years of denigrating the original design AND designer
they do a complete backflip, with the 'classic' series.
(the latest jab at Leo I heard from them, was that his hearing wasnt very good toward the end, so the "Ray preamp Leo designed had too much top end because of that. . . )
I use to try and sing the praises of the original design, the preamp and designer, over at ernie ball forums
and eventually, a mod there basically told me that they werent interested in conversations about the original stingrays and that I should get lost, which I was happy to do, as it all seemed to be a back slapping brainwash, to me
I wasnt trying to put their version down ,
but I could not understand why they would try and pretend the originals were so bad,
when clearly Ernie Ball were the ones that benefited greatly from its design
If the original design was so godawful, why did they buy it, produce it and sell squillions?
The EB empire has stood on the shoulders of the "Ray,
and yes, they have produced many other instruments since then
but most of them have a big name musician solidly attached, in signature instruments
I have tried hard to like Sterling Ball.
The guy can play, and I know he was young and hanging around when the 'Ray was being prototyped etc
but the things I have heard him say about Leo Fender and the original Stingray
have made that very difficult for me.
IMO, a smart operator would have done the exact opposite
and instead, put Leo on the pedestal he absolutely deserves
and marketed the EB Stingray as a legacy type instrument .
it would have been so easy, and have given the instrument great continuity to have used an
"its our privelege to try and continue this great man's legacy" - type of thing
You know - the truth
why try to taint that history to try and make yourself look better?
I cant say I've ever heard say, Roger Sadowsky put the Boot into Leo,
or PRS trash Les Paul . . . it doesnt make sense, and lacks humility
and musicians are into the history of their instrument as well,
and a smart operator would celebrate it with pride
So lets hear it for Leo, if ever there was a champion for bass players, he's our man !
where would we be without the P bass, Jazz Bass and the Stingray?