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Post by veebass » 24 Sep 2017, 09:45

brooksi wrote:
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Guys take care with this flu going around, it is one bad mofo. Three broken ribs from coughing living on pain killers.
That's terrible, mate! Hope you feel better soon. I have been lucky not to catch it so far, given the large amount of time I have spent in hospital as a day patient this winter.
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Post by BazzBass » 24 Sep 2017, 12:53

Richo on Richmond having to wear their away strip, yellow with a black stripe.

"we should wear our black and yellow guernsey, WE'RE NOT YELLOW AND BLACK "

ummm your club song, that 94,000 people yelled at the top of their lungs contains this ine that everyone yells "YELLOW AND BLACK "

you idiot

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Post by PilbaraBass » 24 Sep 2017, 13:21

brooksi wrote:
24 Sep 2017, 09:22
Guys take care with this flu going around, it is one bad mofo. Three broken ribs from coughing living on pain killers.
Not good ... heal up Brooksi
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Post by PilbaraBass » 24 Sep 2017, 13:28

slave wrote:
23 Sep 2017, 23:09
Petebass wrote:
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.... oh wait yes I do, the media is reporting it now.
Pretty much - the attention from Trump has escalated things, forcing Kim to accelerate whatever missile program was running, in order to save his own skin. Whatever the media reports, NK has made mainly rational decisions so far. Can't say that about the USA in the past 20 years.


Well the AFL grand final is now upon us. So far the finals have given us only a single even contest, every other game has been a lopsided thrashing. (yawn) Hopefully the final bucks the trend....
This timeline has no indication of being "escalated by Trump" ... if you want to blame someone for taking the hard line, go ahead ... but decades of tap dancing have not been effective ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin ... ar_program
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Post by veebass » 24 Sep 2017, 13:56

PilbaraBass wrote:
24 Sep 2017, 13:28
slave wrote:
23 Sep 2017, 23:09
Petebass wrote:
23 Sep 2017, 21:07
.... oh wait yes I do, the media is reporting it now.
Pretty much - the attention from Trump has escalated things, forcing Kim to accelerate whatever missile program was running, in order to save his own skin. Whatever the media reports, NK has made mainly rational decisions so far. Can't say that about the USA in the past 20 years.


Well the AFL grand final is now upon us. So far the finals have given us only a single even contest, every other game has been a lopsided thrashing. (yawn) Hopefully the final bucks the trend....
This timeline has no indication of being "escalated by Trump" ... if you want to blame someone for taking the hard line, go ahead ... but decades of tap dancing have not been effective ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin ... ar_program
Not that I am saying this is what you are saying, Kerry,, but I have always genuinely puzzled by the argument that "we " should have acted earlier on NK. Just when would have been best? Georgdubbya includes them in his axis of evil, but did nothing. Probably for the very reason others before and since haven't.
At what point in decades did NK not have Seoul squarely in the sights of it's artillery? I think it has been out of the realms of simple for many, many years. It is now in the realms of catastrophic. Yet that is what it seems is what Trump wants to do.
What I don't like is the blind support for the ijot who is running the US, just because he is the ijot running the US. I think middle nations, like Australia, should be trying to hose Trump down if they can, when he talks about totally destroying 25.4 million north Koreans and who knows how many in South Korea and Japan before all the North Koreans are dead. He has just tweeted that Kim and his regime won't be around for much longer.
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Post by petersemple » 24 Sep 2017, 14:24

The thing is that I personally suspect that a lot of the rhetoric coming out of NK is more about their internal power plays and maintaining leadership strength than it is about caring about what the rest of the world thinks.
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Post by veebass » 24 Sep 2017, 14:28

petersemple wrote:
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The thing is that I personally suspect that a lot of the rhetoric coming out of NK is more about their internal power plays and maintaining leadership strength than it is about caring about what the rest of the world thinks.

That is what I have read. He basically wants the people to believe they are constantly under threat of attack and they need his regime to protect them.
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Post by PilbaraBass » 24 Sep 2017, 15:31

Russell.
I'm not saying we should have acted earlier ... but I do believe that ever since the end of the Korean War, more should have been done ..

But the Cold War was an interesting time .. and that initself was merely a spill over from WWII ..

The problem is this ... Nuclear weapons ...
Even without the Manhattan Project, their development was inevitable ... unfortunately, as a species, we simply can not be trusted with such power ...
Nuclear war, in the long term is quite inevitable. However, it would be nice if that war could be avoided for as long as possible.
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Post by veebass » 24 Sep 2017, 16:11

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Russell.
I'm not saying we should have acted earlier ... but I do believe that ever since the end of the Korean War, more should have been done ..

But the Cold War was an interesting time .. and that initself was merely a spill over from WWII ..

The problem is this ... Nuclear weapons ...
Even without the Manhattan Project, their development was inevitable ... unfortunately, as a species, we simply can not be trusted with such power ...
Nuclear war, in the long term is quite inevitable. However, it would be nice if that war could be avoided for as long as possible.
Yes, Kerry, I do know you aren't saying that. Great chatting, mate.
I just hear that argument so often these days and I think, well both sides of US politics decided it was too hard. I think it probably was.
I get annoyed at the "Non politician" POTUS carrying on as he is and no one around the world saying, "Hey! Take a breath. This isn't a p!ssing competition or a reality show. Real people will die.". We are talking a body count that would put Trump in the "class" with Hitler, Stalin or Mao.
We are talking about a conflict which could easily be in the scale of magnitude of WW11, or Stalin and Mao's purges in terms of lives lost, if this starts.
I am deeply disturbed that middle powers like us are not saying "slow up". It's all we can do to make him think before he does it. I would hate to think we are cowed in standing up, by the locally confected issue of Manus Is detainees.
I can't imagine a Whitlam, Hawke or a Keating behaving the way our current leaders are.
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Post by PilbaraBass » 24 Sep 2017, 20:24

^i do think there is method behind the mad men ...
Kim is attempting to weaken Trump's position by placing all blame for their (NK's) actions squarely and solely on Trump.
And Trump is threatening "anhilation" to force Kim into reacting in a way that will force China's hand.
To an extent, both responses are working... but MAN what a dangerous game ... if Kim sees his control crumbling, he WILL strike in a last ditch ... if that happens, the US will retaliate and then that legitimises unilateral actions by China and Russia against the US ...

Just one scenario ... but a truly worrisome one
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Post by slave » 25 Sep 2017, 04:21

PilbaraBass wrote:
24 Sep 2017, 13:28
...decades of tap dancing have not been effective ...
That's true. But neither has letting the Kim regime get nukes. The USA & NK are still technically at war, so any action is also technically, on the table.
PilbaraBass wrote:
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.. but MAN what a dangerous game ... if Kim sees his control crumbling, he WILL strike in a last ditch ... if that happens, the US will retaliate and then that legitimises unilateral actions by China and Russia against the US ...

Just one scenario ... but a truly worrisome one
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Post by Aussie Mark » 25 Sep 2017, 10:10

I thought Trump's description of Kim as "Rocket Man" was gold, as was the "Lion King" comeback by NK.

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Post by PilbaraBass » 27 Sep 2017, 07:04

^if these guys weren't playing with nukes, the whole exchange would be quite comical ...
I find Trump to be a fantastic entertainer ... but he's not in the entertainment business ...


^^(response to slave) ... the reason NK even has nukes has to do with 1- the Russians (1986 deals) and 2 - the international community's completely ineffective treatment of the problem over the last 30 years....
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Post by Petebass » 27 Sep 2017, 10:02

veebass wrote:
24 Sep 2017, 14:28
That is what I have read. He basically wants the people to believe they are constantly under threat of attack and they need his regime to protect them.
Which is why NK will never strike first. If anything that resembles war does break out, his protection and leadership will be deemed ineffective and one way or another, NK faces a change of leadership..... The exact thing they are trying to avoid.

The US won't strike first because of the ramifications from China and to a lesser extent, the UN and it's allies.

So it's 50 more years of name calling and bluster.....
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Post by BazzBass » 27 Sep 2017, 23:39

shows what a complete waste of money and time that the United Nations is.

totally impotent, viagra won't help.

They've had their 'peace keeping force' in Cyprus since 1974, there have been no repatriations or compensation for the Greek Cypriot people who lost their houses and businesses when the Turkish army invaded with Kissinger's blessing.

The country is divided in half by the UN for FORTY THREE years. 43 friggin years. They have acheived nothing.

Why would they be expected to have any influence on NK?

The only thing I agree with Trump on is when he says the UN is the biggest con ever, rich diplomats having the time of their lives at our expense without having ever acheived anything.
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