Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by veebass » 07 Jul 2018, 06:01

packrat wrote:
05 Jul 2018, 14:01

It's important to note the subjectivity of "successful". The Liberal government measures economic success on how much money can be funneled into a tiny fraction of the population. This is why we have a tax cut only for the rich, and a business tax cut that will trigger more stock buybacks. There's also a significant delight in turning up the level of suffering on the poor because being they tell themsevles poor is a moral failing and "those people" deserve it.

In that sense, success!

Unfortunately, they fail badly at any measure that looks at broader welfare of the population at large, employement, wages, conditions. Even helping the bulk of the blindly ideological voter base.

On the other hand, a bunch of people will vote for them just because of their implicit promise to attack anyone "not like us". It's amusing to watch the repeated rise and fall of one nation who explicitly promise that injury (attracting the very worst of the liberal voters) and then fail to deliver anything at all, losing them back again.

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Not that I dispute the type of success you are talking about, but I am also talking about actual evidence based, verifiable success. There have been a number of IMF analyses done that show Labor Governments have done better economically than Coalition ones. I will see if I can dig them up. Perception becomes reality- people believe what The Australian repeats over and over ie that Labor can't manage money, Whitlam was profligate with "our" money. Fact is by the measures they and the Liberals sought to crucify Swan as a Treasurer- Deficit and Debt, the Whitlam Government did very well. It ran surpluses in 3 of the 4 years it delivered budgets. It did not add to the national debt.
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by packrat » 07 Jul 2018, 09:09

It’s a pretty common trope for the liberals to appeal to household budget analogies hoping their voters know nothing about macroeconomics.

Seems to work. The liberal voters are still super dark about Rudd’s money pump that was a significant piece in our dodge of the gfc. They’re similarly blindly supportive of company cuts because reading about a recent counterexample is harder than blindly following Murdoch or inane Talk show hosts.

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by veebass » 07 Jul 2018, 09:54

packrat wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 09:09
It’s a pretty common trope for the liberals to appeal to household budget analogies hoping their voters know nothing about macroeconomics.

Seems to work. The liberal voters are still super dark about Rudd’s money pump that was a significant piece in our dodge of the gfc. They’re similarly blindly supportive of company cuts because reading about a recent counterexample is harder than blindly following Murdoch or inane Talk show hosts.
Only OECD that dodged the GFC, if I recall correctly.
Classic Keynsian strategy from Labor. Antithesis of neoliberalism as I understand it.
Liberals publicly abandoned Keynesian economics when they adopted Fightback! in the early 1990s.

A welcome development here.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... are_btn_fb

A church man who quotes Marx! This will inflame some. People who have direct experience in dealing with the human and societal cost of neoliberalism and are implacably opposed to it, are needed in the Federal Parliament.
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by packrat » 07 Jul 2018, 10:30

People defending the church are not. We tried that with Abbott who decided to bring religion to the health ministry.

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by veebass » 07 Jul 2018, 10:45

packrat wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 10:30
People defending the church are not. We tried that with Abbott who decided to bring religion to the health ministry.
I take it you are speaking generally. I didn't see anything in the article attributed to Falzon that was defending the church.
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by packrat » 07 Jul 2018, 12:02

Religious universities are training doctors to refuse basic medical care that isn’t church approved. Religious politicians are doing the same thing to medical care when they aren’t trying to defund investigations into church sexual abuse.

There is no separation.

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by petersemple » 07 Jul 2018, 13:28

packrat wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 12:02
Religious universities are training doctors to refuse basic medical care that isn’t church approved. Religious politicians are doing the same thing to medical care when they aren’t trying to defund investigations into church sexual abuse.

There is no separation.
Cite?
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by veebass » 07 Jul 2018, 13:32

LNP demands the right to be bribed by developers.

Strewth Astro... it's just not right.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/que ... 4daaaa39c1
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by packrat » 07 Jul 2018, 13:55

veebass wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 13:32
LNP demands the right to be bribed by developers.

Strewth Astro... it's just not right.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/que ... 4daaaa39c1
Where's that's illegal, e.g. in NSW, the liberal party simply funnelled funds through their federal branch.

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by packrat » 07 Jul 2018, 14:00

petersemple wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 13:28
packrat wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 12:02
Religious universities are training doctors to refuse basic medical care that isn’t church approved. Religious politicians are doing the same thing to medical care when they aren’t trying to defund investigations into church sexual abuse.

There is no separation.
Cite?
Sure thing.

1. Notre Dame in WA, being incredibly diffident about contraception coverage in their courses, (personal conversations with students there) which then resulted in places like Geraldton (regional WA town) having zero local doctors who would give a prescription for oral contraceptives to unmarried females. (discussion with a female doctor who included some clinic days up there and encountered a flood of visits as a result of this insanity)

2. Abbott rejecting PBS approval for morning after pill while health Minister on religious grounds

3. Abbott shifting funding from royal commission into child sexual abuse because he thought trying to find a scandal in the housing insulation scheme suited his tastes better than chasing his mentor Pell. "Cardinal Pell is one of the greatest churchmen that Australia has seen."

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by petersemple » 07 Jul 2018, 14:30

So you have evidence of one politician who has been pretty thoroughly discredited doing dodgy things.

You don't have any evidence that is available to the rest of us regarding religious universities teaching doctors to refuse basic medical care.
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by veebass » 07 Jul 2018, 14:49

packrat wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 13:55
veebass wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 13:32
LNP demands the right to be bribed by developers.

Strewth Astro... it's just not right.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/que ... 4daaaa39c1
Where's that's illegal, e.g. in NSW, the liberal party simply funnelled funds through their federal branch.

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And Arthur Sinodinos' memory failed. Just because crooks break the law doesn't mean we should change it- although that seems to be the thought behind Turnbull's business tax cuts.
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by veebass » 07 Jul 2018, 14:51

This is a joke....... right?
Foxtel boss reviewing the ABC & SBS.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 4zpyx.html
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by packrat » 07 Jul 2018, 15:03

veebass wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 14:51
This is a joke....... right?
Foxtel boss reviewing the ABC & SBS.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 4zpyx.html
I think you'll find its deadly serious. The Liberal party and conservatives in general are not what would traditionally be considered "pro information". In the US, it's gotten to the point where an overwhelming majority of conservatives oppose university education, and that's certainly on the horizon here.

You did not read that incorrectly.

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