Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by veebass » 12 Aug 2017, 09:42

Turnbull's Ministers won't campaign about this mess he has created.
Weak b@st@rds!

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stor ... ign_120817
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by veebass » 12 Aug 2017, 10:38

Murdoch writes downs and losses on Foxtel and Australian newspapers. BS meter is off the scale.
Hmmm...... how sad, no tax to pay here......
Probably still continue to get big handouts from the Coalition Government.

Here's a novel idea, if it the business is truly unprofitable, shut it down.
Oh no, then we couldn't influence governments.

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by slave » 12 Aug 2017, 14:23

veebass wrote:
12 Aug 2017, 06:28
Just when I think my thoughts on North Korea must be crazy because they are seemingly out of line with everyone else, I read what Paul Keating has to say. It doesn't make me feel any better about this worrying issue, but at least I know I am not crazy.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... xua4x.html
My thoughts on the matter are more or less similar. The wolf is loose, there's no going back.
The idea of creating a *missile shield* is brainless wishful thinking.
The only move from here is for the USA and any other power to stop the aggression and work out a way through this peacefully. If that means deposing Trumpy for it to happen, then do it.
Talking about the chinese actions with creating islands for military installations out of attols/reefs in SE Asia, I think the USA has no option but to back off there too.

For what it's worth, I think it's fairly symbolic that our PM can sign us up for war, but he's unable to make a decision allowing people to get married to each other.....

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by veebass » 12 Aug 2017, 14:58

slave wrote:
12 Aug 2017, 14:23

For what it's worth, I think it's fairly symbolic that our PM can sign us up for war, but he's unable to make a decision allowing people to get married to each other.....
Not even required to debate going to war in the parliament. :(
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by slowlearner » 13 Aug 2017, 13:02

In a way, I don't think this vote is really about sexuality or marriage. Really, it's a vote about individualism. That is to say, people saying to the govt (and society), "you have to legislate such that I can do what feels right to me."

One side the debate is saying, "you can't legislate that way." The other side is saying something a kin to, "You have no right to stop me making myself happy".
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Post by PilbaraBass » 13 Aug 2017, 17:04

slave wrote:
veebass wrote:
12 Aug 2017, 06:28
Just when I think my thoughts on North Korea must be crazy because they are seemingly out of line with everyone else, I read what Paul Keating has to say. It doesn't make me feel any better about this worrying issue, but at least I know I am not crazy.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... xua4x.html
My thoughts on the matter are more or less similar. The wolf is loose, there's no going back.
The idea of creating a *missile shield* is brainless wishful thinking.
The only move from here is for the USA and any other power to stop the aggression and work out a way through this peacefully. If that means deposing Trumpy for it to happen, then do it.
Talking about the chinese actions with creating islands for military installations out of attols/reefs in SE Asia, I think the USA has no option but to back off there too.

For what it's worth, I think it's fairly symbolic that our PM can sign us up for war, but he's unable to make a decision allowing people to get married to each other.....
Up until VERY recently, NK had missiles and nuclear capability (of sorts), but they had no way of actually getting a nuke small enough to fit into payload of these missiles ...

But for YEARS they were permitted to develop (from mostly stolen technology) and test and develop ...
And now everyone is saying to "negotiate" with a maniacal kid who has a track record of executing anything that offends him, including his own uncle, his ex-GF, and his half-brother ...

So after a couple of decades of ostrich, head-in-sand "diplomacy", the world is left with the MESS that is The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea...

We forget the great unfortunate fact that an atomic arms race took place during WWII, 70+ years ago ... a race necessary to prevent a crazed maniac from having it first ... but this unfortunately spurred the Cold War, nuclear proliferation and now the ability for less-stable, problematic governments to also now wield this most menacing of weapons ...

It is foolishness to think that nuclear weapons would never ever become a most serious issue in a world where war and conflict can never be eliminated (ever)...

We are wearing the legacy of our forefathers , good or bad ... and it's pretty much stuck on us now like a bad genetic disorder




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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by slave » 14 Aug 2017, 05:24

slowlearner wrote:
13 Aug 2017, 13:02
In a way, I don't think this vote is really about sexuality or marriage. Really, it's a vote about individualism. That is to say, people saying to the govt (and society), "you have to legislate such that I can do what feels right to me."

One side the debate is saying, "you can't legislate that way." The other side is saying something a kin to, "You have no right to stop me making myself happy".
Yep.
Gay marriage is voluntary, there's really nothing to be angry about (if you're straight). :shrug:

FYI - Howard changed the constitution to say marriage was between a man and a woman, before that it didn't define marriage as between a heterosexual couple. I dunno if anyone finds that interesting or not, but I did. ;)

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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by veebass » 14 Aug 2017, 05:41

^ Yep, some of the hysteria about marriage equality I am hearing, you would think it was being proposed as compulsory.

Here's a good story about the asylum seeker swap deal with the US. The original deal makes a whole lot more sense.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politi ... xuthr.html
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Post by veebass » 14 Aug 2017, 05:52

Michael Pascoe thinks the "No" case, could win. He may be right.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment ... xuj1d.html
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by slave » 14 Aug 2017, 07:33

veebass wrote:
14 Aug 2017, 05:52
Michael Pascoe thinks the "No" case, could win. He may be right.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment ... xuj1d.html
He may be right this time. I agree with you 100%
But being non-binding, I don't see how this does anything but buy time for a certain political party.
You can bet your pair of cowboy boots this issue won't die.....

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Post by veebass » 14 Aug 2017, 08:25

What a load of tripe. Look a unicorn!

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/fede ... 30eef1735f
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Post by veebass » 14 Aug 2017, 08:52

Should see a flood of abuse reports now associated with offshore detention. Government will then just say it is all Labor's fault.

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Post by noplanb » 14 Aug 2017, 09:27

something a kin to, "You have no right to stop me making myself happy".
For the marriage debate, I think a lot more discussion has to happen first, as the implications are just not realised by most. For one example, recall Katy Faust highlighting the effect on children that ss-parenting has had - she says, whose rights should prevail, the ss-parents, or the children consciously deprived of either a father or mother relationship?

"Father’s Day sucks, and my mom thinks its society when really it’s just her. I love her but yeesh. She talks about genders like they don’t matter when raising kids. If they don’t why does she wants me to spend so much time with her guy friends so I can have a father-figure? (JK as if her guy friends love me or relate to me as much as they love and relate with their actual children. Yeah right) … I want to know who my dad is, and a donor# and some basic layout isn’t going to cut it. I need to KNOW him. I need to bond with him and do daddy-daughter things. He’s half of who I am...."
https://anonymousus.org/childrens-rights-anyone-o/
https://askthebigot.com/2016/06/15/dear-jen-hatmaker/

She has now refocussed her activism to "Them before us" - being that all/any children are seriously affected by missing either a father or mother: "Children's rights before adult desires"
http://thembeforeus.com/
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Re: Political Coverage By the Media in Our Country - PART TWO

Post by PilbaraBass » 14 Aug 2017, 09:53

slave wrote:
14 Aug 2017, 05:24
slowlearner wrote:
13 Aug 2017, 13:02
In a way, I don't think this vote is really about sexuality or marriage. Really, it's a vote about individualism. That is to say, people saying to the govt (and society), "you have to legislate such that I can do what feels right to me."

One side the debate is saying, "you can't legislate that way." The other side is saying something a kin to, "You have no right to stop me making myself happy".
FYI - Howard changed the constitution to say marriage was between a man and a woman, before that it didn't define marriage as between a heterosexual couple. I dunno if anyone finds that interesting or not, but I did. ;)
I attempted to find references to your comment here and couldn't... If you could provide, that would be great...

What I did find was this...

http://questions.peo.gov.au/questions/d ... age-act/22

which says...
Section 51(xxi) of the Australian Constitution gives the federal Parliament the power to make laws about marriage. It does not say what marriage is or who can get married. The details of how marriages are conducted in Australia are contained in the Marriage Act 1961.
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