Who uses a sealed 410?

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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by narcdor » 13 Dec 2017, 18:00

Petebass wrote:
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Access denied... :shrug:
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Petebass » 13 Dec 2017, 18:32

I changed something. Is it working now?

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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Ben B » 13 Dec 2017, 18:47

Heath wrote:
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if it sounds good, it is good
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by narcdor » 13 Dec 2017, 19:14

All good now :thumbup:
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Bill Fitzmaurice » 14 Dec 2017, 00:22

Petebass wrote:
13 Dec 2017, 16:54
The graphs confirm what I heard with my ears on the day. The sealed cab was definitely less efficient, was "tighter" in the bottoms.
That same level of 'tightness' could be realized from the ported cab by reducing the bass EQ, which is also advantageous in that it reduces power demand on the amp and the voice coils. OTOH you can't get the lows that a ported cab is capable of from a sealed cab, because the amount of EQ boost required would cause the amp, voice coils and driver suspensions to be over-stressed.
The origins of sealed cabs do date back to the early 1960s, when drivers for the most part did work best in sealed cabs, but there was no scientific data to account for that, as your countryman Neville Theile hadn't invented it yet. Seeing some of the posts in this thread would likely cause Neville to do some serious spinning in his current residence. :rolleyes

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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by rodl2005 » 14 Dec 2017, 11:31

grooveinsyd wrote:
13 Dec 2017, 13:54
:banghead: Ahhhh My brain hurts when I see graphs from all the weed I smoked
Perhaps you need a graph of how the weed's affected your brain. .. then go from there ;)
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Petebass » 14 Dec 2017, 12:49

Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:
14 Dec 2017, 00:22
Petebass wrote:
13 Dec 2017, 16:54
The graphs confirm what I heard with my ears on the day. The sealed cab was definitely less efficient, was "tighter" in the bottoms.
That same level of 'tightness' could be realized from the ported cab by reducing the bass EQ, which is also advantageous in that it reduces power demand on the amp and the voice coils. OTOH you can't get the lows that a ported cab is capable of from a sealed cab, because the amount of EQ boost required would cause the amp, voice coils and driver suspensions to be over-stressed.
The origins of sealed cabs do date back to the early 1960s, when drivers for the most part did work best in sealed cabs, but there was no scientific data to account for that, as your countryman Neville Theile hadn't invented it yet. Seeing some of the posts in this thread would likely cause Neville to do some serious spinning in his current residence. :rolleyes
Which brings me to another observation. Most off the gushing love for sealed cabs comes from those who use tube amps. By their nature that seem to be warmer overall than SS amps. That's a massive generalisation but it also counters some of the problems you mentioned that are caused by boosting low end EQ .... No need to add it, It's already there.....

IMO it's no coincidence the rise in popularity of ported cabs coincides with the rise in popularity of SS amps. My experience has certainly been that ported marries better to SS, and tube it better suited to sealed. In each instance the added lows from one in complimentary to the reduced lows from the other.
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Bill Fitzmaurice » 14 Dec 2017, 13:28

That depends on the amp, they're all voiced differently. I still recall how different the low frequency voicing was on the earliest amps I used, my '65 Fender Bassman and Tom Hamilton's (yes, that Tom Hamilton)'66 Ampeg B15. Even though the Fender was rated 50 watts and the Ampeg 30 watts the low end of the Ampeg was fat, the low end of the Fender thin. Tom and I often shared the stage, combining our rigs. We fooled with them quite a bit, trying his ported cab with my Fender head, my sealed cab with his Ampeg head. The Ampeg was always better in the lows. A reasonable assumption is that Ampeg was more of a bass amp company, so they did a better job voicing them than Fender, which was more of a guitar amp company.

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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by rodl2005 » 14 Dec 2017, 15:19

I'm one that uses tube amps and sometimes sealed cabs. My Fender Super Bassman sounds great thru Ampeg sealed 810s and thru my Berg NV215...and previously my NV412. But it sounds great thru the ported Bassman Pro Neo cabs too. I dunno re extended lows etc. .. I just know what sounds good. Ftr... it sounded great thru an old SVT410HLF last weekend too.
Also. ..my V4B sounds great thru the same cabs too...except the 410HLF. ..I haven't tried it thru that cab
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Gobi » 16 Dec 2017, 11:19

I used an Ampeg 410 HLF for 10 years with SVT 2 non pro, it's beautiful of course, creamy huge bottom end. Great for rock and reggae and pop gigs, not so much for anything funky. So I was after a funky rig sound, and got the Euphonic Audio 410. It's a tighter bottom end by far, of course it does depend on the EQ you use, but I found I never would back off the low end with the HLF 410(cause it sounded good) And with the EA 410 the low cut is built in, so I go for a more all round sound, like the mids are clearer. I find too much lows on a lot of stages just gets in the way, then the guitarist just turn up, and it all goes to shit. I need to keep my volume in check, for the all important singers to hear themselves.
I find myself using the EA 410 with a Hartke LH1000 mostly, even though the SVT 2 sounds awesome too. With the sound I'm after , I don't need all those beautiful tube lows. The sound guy comes and tells me to turn it down if it's too bottomy.
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by Petebass » 16 Dec 2017, 12:07

Great post Gobi, especially since most of what you read online is from bassists who don't gig much in a never ending chase for more bottom end. It's an odyssey that can go on for years before reality bites and the problems you spoke about are acknowledged. It's refreshing that Ozzbass for that most part "gets it", unlike some other bass forums ....
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Re: Who uses a sealed 410?

Post by raybass » 28 Dec 2017, 19:18

FWIW the tube amp theory doesn't apply to me..

I've used the same GK head for 20 plus years and recently added a b|amp to the fold.

Both sound much better through my nv412 than through my hd212. ( though I do have both amps set as growly as they will go)...
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