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Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 16 May 2018, 14:39
by BazzBass
After trying flats for the first time, I put Chromes on my MIA P and my Jazz bass. Sound great at home thru my pedals and into my Yammy monitors. Live they sounded OK but not crisp enough to really carry the room.
I took my El Cheapo SX Jazz with Roto rounds to our last gig at the Exeter Sat night and people said it was the best my bass sounded.
And then it hit me. Rounds carry their mid punch thru a crowd better than flats ever will.
I think I've read it before but only just realised it myself:

Record with flats for smooth fat tone without finger noise etc.

Play live with rounds for a bit of grindy clank and trebley bite to carry the 'crowd" .

Anyone else come to this conclusion?

Re: Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 16 May 2018, 21:31
by jimmy_effected
Not yet - I've never played flats!

...I know, I should probably have my OzBass membership rescinded or something...

Re: Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 16 May 2018, 22:33
by Wrenn
My experience is sort of the opposite. I gig with flats and record (very limited experience here) with rounds. IME I find that flats usually sounds just OK when I practice BUT really cuts through during live shows especially when competing with my 2 loud guitarist, after saying this IMO genre will always dictate what you use though.

Re: Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 16 May 2018, 23:59
by Paisley
BazzBass wrote:
16 May 2018, 14:39
After trying flats for the first time, I put Chromes on my MIA P and my Jazz bass. Sound great at home thru my pedals and into my Yammy monitors. Live they sounded OK but not crisp enough to really carry the room.
I took my El Cheapo SX Jazz with Roto rounds to our last gig at the Exeter Sat night and people said it was the best my bass sounded.
And then it hit me. Rounds carry their mid punch thru a crowd better than flats ever will.
I think I've read it before but only just realised it myself:

Record with flats for smooth fat tone without finger noise etc.

Play live with rounds for a bit of grindy clank and trebley bite to carry the 'crowd" .

Anyone else come to this conclusion?
That’s exactly what Cliff Williams did; he always gigged with rounds, but any of AC/DC’s albums with him on it is all Flatwounds.

Re: Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 17 May 2018, 07:01
by Petebass
I think the revelation here is that what you do live and what you do in the studio should always be treated as two different things.

Re: Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 17 May 2018, 07:40
by drbass
All rounds for me but I have to admit that I’ve mellowed from stainless to nickels.

Regards,
Michael

Re: Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 17 May 2018, 07:46
by rodl2005
I'm opposite also, I find flats are lotsa mid punch, and they really cut thru.
Horses.... etc

Re: Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 17 May 2018, 08:35
by slowlearner
Re the OP, Ummm, no. Yes studio is different, but I think flats can work most places.

I think it depends who you're playing with. Personally, I found flats to be more than audible. But then if you're competing against a Marshall on 11 and Mr Universe playing drums, you're always gonna struggle. The band I was using flats in most recently knew how to give each other space in terms of notes and frequency. I'd be playing with the mids on your EQ as Pete and others have suggested.

Re: Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 17 May 2018, 09:31
by grooveinsyd
Petebass wrote:
17 May 2018, 07:01
I think the revelation here is that what you do live and what you do in the studio should always be treated as two different things.
+1, For either recording or live, I'd like choose flats or rounds accordingly, that's why I have couple of cheap Suiqers with flats on them. ;)

Re: Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 17 May 2018, 10:32
by rev matt
I changed to flats about 8 years ago and have not looked back. I get compliments on the sound of my bass (not the playing) every time I play a gig.
Other bass players and other musos are often the ones complimenting the sound. But I don't know if it is the strings, the bass, the amp head, the box I choose to take or just all the stars aligning with a combination of all of them. I find the rounds too noisy for my style of playing (if you could call it that), I'm not a fan of hearing the strings unintentionally clicking against the fretboard, fretted or not, or the finger movement sound on the roundwound strings.

Re: Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 17 May 2018, 11:48
by jimmy_effected
Petebass wrote:
17 May 2018, 07:01
I think the revelation here is that what you do live and what you do in the studio should always be treated as two different things.
Yeah, this for me ^^

Took me too many years to work out that just because I did something a certain way when tracking didn't mean I had to keep doing it that way live. Whatever works and works well is best

Re: Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 17 May 2018, 12:42
by BazzBass
lots of wise advice here. I am really stuck at the moment, totally confused as to which I prefer, flats or rounds. So I guess the answer is that I swing both ways hehe

Re: Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 17 May 2018, 13:33
by bigswifty
BazzBass wrote:
17 May 2018, 12:42
lots of wise advice here. I am really stuck at the moment, totally confused as to which I prefer, flats or rounds. So I guess the answer is that I swing both ways hehe
Well it's quite a generalisation but IMO it's a lot easier to eq rounds to sound like flats than the other way around. Fairly dead nickel rounds will get a fair way there. But not all the way hehehehe :)
Mike

Re: Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 17 May 2018, 20:10
by narcdor
bigswifty wrote:
17 May 2018, 13:33
BazzBass wrote:
17 May 2018, 12:42
lots of wise advice here. I am really stuck at the moment, totally confused as to which I prefer, flats or rounds. So I guess the answer is that I swing both ways hehe
Well it's quite a generalisation but IMO it's a lot easier to eq rounds to sound like flats than the other way around. Fairly dead nickel rounds will get a fair way there. But not all the way hehehehe :)
Mike
Dead nickels all the way, best of both when you can’t have one of each.

Re: Record with flats, gig with rounds?

Posted: 17 May 2018, 20:41
by slave
rodl2005 wrote:
17 May 2018, 07:46
I'm opposite also, I find flats are lotsa mid punch, and they really cut thru.
^^^^
This for me too.