Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by aphekgreg » 03 Dec 2017, 11:16

veebass wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 10:57
I think it is a 1969- 1970 Jazz neck (4 bolt/ heal adjustment). Went to bullet truss and three bolt during 1975 in Jazzes.
I can read- 02 as first two digits. That is Jazz Bass code.
3rd and 4 th should be 03, I am guessing?
Next two would be the week.
And the seventh digit would give you the year.

J Torres is a name I have seen before on Fender necks.

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Thanks Russell. Thought you'd probably have a fair idea. '70 would be cool, as it would mean it's a birth year bass (well neck).
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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by aphekgreg » 03 Dec 2017, 11:17

rodl2005 wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 10:43
Like to see under the guard!!!!!
I'll get there. Just don't want to open it after eating...... just to be safe.
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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by veebass » 03 Dec 2017, 11:42

aphekgreg wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 11:16
veebass wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 10:57
I think it is a 1969- 1970 Jazz neck (4 bolt/ heal adjustment). Went to bullet truss and three bolt during 1975 in Jazzes.
I can read- 02 as first two digits. That is Jazz Bass code.
3rd and 4 th should be 03, I am guessing?
Next two would be the week.
And the seventh digit would give you the year.

J Torres is a name I have seen before on Fender necks.

http://www.ggjaguar.com/neckcode.htm
Thanks Russell. Thought you'd probably have a fair idea. '70 would be cool, as it would mean it's a birth year bass (well neck).
No probs- I made a typo. Meant to say- 1969- 1975.
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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by aphekgreg » 03 Dec 2017, 12:09

veebass wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 11:42
aphekgreg wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 11:16
veebass wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 10:57
I think it is a 1969- 1970 Jazz neck (4 bolt/ heal adjustment). Went to bullet truss and three bolt during 1975 in Jazzes.
I can read- 02 as first two digits. That is Jazz Bass code.
3rd and 4 th should be 03, I am guessing?
Next two would be the week.
And the seventh digit would give you the year.

J Torres is a name I have seen before on Fender necks.

http://www.ggjaguar.com/neckcode.htm
Thanks Russell. Thought you'd probably have a fair idea. '70 would be cool, as it would mean it's a birth year bass (well neck).
No probs- I made a typo. Meant to say- 1969- 1975.
That makes more sense, with the 3 bolt and bullet truss being introduced in '75. Just looking at in in the sunshine (which we didn't have yesterday :yep ) and it could be a '73? Last 3 numbers appear to be either 6 or 8 and then 7 and 3.

EDIT:
The 3 might actually be a B. Is that possible? That would make in '67, as it can't be '77 can it?
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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by veebass » 03 Dec 2017, 12:32

aphekgreg wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 12:09
veebass wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 11:42
aphekgreg wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 11:16


Thanks Russell. Thought you'd probably have a fair idea. '70 would be cool, as it would mean it's a birth year bass (well neck).
No probs- I made a typo. Meant to say- 1969- 1975.
That makes more sense, with the 3 bolt and bullet truss being introduced in '75. Just looking at in in the sunshine (which we didn't have yesterday :yep ) and it could be a '73? Last 3 numbers appear to be either 6 or 8 and then 7 and 3.

EDIT:
The 3 might actually be a B. Is that possible? That would make in '67, as it can't be '77 can it?
Unlikely to be a 77, given the decal (smaller decal and serial on headstock) and the number of neck bolts (3 bolt by then)..Similarly, not a 67 by the decal (transition decal in 67), maple board and the heal stamp was different format.
The black blocks and binding also make it more likely to be pre 74/ 75. I understand they started to use pearloid with maple then,
73 would make more sense. Very difficult period to date accurately.
If someone told me it was 70- 73, I wouldn't argue too hard. ;)
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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by aphekgreg » 03 Dec 2017, 13:34

veebass wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 12:32
aphekgreg wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 12:09
veebass wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 11:42


No probs- I made a typo. Meant to say- 1969- 1975.
That makes more sense, with the 3 bolt and bullet truss being introduced in '75. Just looking at in in the sunshine (which we didn't have yesterday :yep ) and it could be a '73? Last 3 numbers appear to be either 6 or 8 and then 7 and 3.

EDIT:
The 3 might actually be a B. Is that possible? That would make in '67, as it can't be '77 can it?
Unlikely to be a 77, given the decal (smaller decal and serial on headstock) and the number of neck bolts (3 bolt by then)..Similarly, not a 67 by the decal (transition decal in 67), maple board and the heal stamp was different format.
The black blocks and binding also make it more likely to be pre 74/ 75. I understand they started to use pearloid with maple then,
73 would make more sense. Very difficult period to date accurately.
If someone told me it was 70- 73, I wouldn't argue too hard. ;)
Looking again at the heel, the last two digits could be 3 & B, although if it is a B, that would mean a wider neck wouldn't it? Feels like a standard J width to me. I've known this bass for over 25 years and always assumed it was mid '70s, so '73 certainlt feels right to me too..
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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by ozrider » 03 Dec 2017, 15:09

aphekgreg wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 11:17
rodl2005 wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 10:43
Like to see under the guard!!!!!
I'll get there. Just don't want to open it after eating...... just to be safe.
that made me laugh :p

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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by pjm » 03 Dec 2017, 19:03

Can you post some pics of the body?
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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by rodl2005 » 03 Dec 2017, 22:35

ozrider wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 15:09
aphekgreg wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 11:17
rodl2005 wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 10:43
Like to see under the guard!!!!!
I'll get there. Just don't want to open it after eating...... just to be safe.
that made me laugh :p
Ditto :lol:
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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by aphekgreg » 04 Dec 2017, 10:01

Alright, so you were warned. I take no responsibility for emotional stress caused by this post. :hellno:

The body would have looked fine externally. No hint that it's plywood.
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Definitely appears to be a Dimarzio Model P. Looks to have been routed with a speed bore and a chisel. No idea what pickup would have been in it originally, although I'm guessing a single coil, so the body was probably a Saki or something similar.
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There don't look to be any alterations to the neck pocket, which means they were using Fender specs.
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I think I replaced the output jack at some point, which would be why I remember seeing inside. Whoever did the pickup rout, did a very neat job. I thought the top layer was covering the holes from when it was left handed, but have remembered that incorrectly.
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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by aphekgreg » 04 Dec 2017, 10:13

I put the neck on my Japanese Jazz yesterday and used it last night. I was very surprised at the change in tone and response. Acoustically, it was much darker sounding, than the stock Japanese Fender neck, with rosewood board. When I plugged it in to use, it was still quite dull, but with a slight eq change on the Flyrig (turning down the lows and mids slightly), it suddenly sounded just like a '70s Jazz Bass! I really hadn't expected that much change. I've swapped maple and rosewood necks before and it's never been this sort of change. I'll record both neck when I swap back to make sure I'm not imagining it. The neck is very thin, but reasonably deep, which I'm not used to and was a bit uncomfortable.

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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by ozrider » 04 Dec 2017, 10:52

aphekgreg wrote:
04 Dec 2017, 10:01
Alright, so you were warned. I take no responsibility for emotional stress caused by this post. :hellno:

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You really got to wonder what goes through someone's mind when they do this type of thing...

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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by aphekgreg » 04 Dec 2017, 11:20

ozrider wrote:
04 Dec 2017, 10:52
aphekgreg wrote:
04 Dec 2017, 10:01
Alright, so you were warned. I take no responsibility for emotional stress caused by this post. :hellno:

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You really got to wonder what goes through someone's mind when they do this type of thing...

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Really? It's a cheap plywood body, so not worth anything and left handed basses are always harder to find. When this was put together, '70s Fenders weren't held in any high regard either. I remember first seeing it around '90 and thinking it made complete sense. It had cheap '60s Japanese machine heads, that were complete rubbish and probably came from the original neck on the body. No idea what happened to the rest of it, but I always assumed somebody had bought a new neck and swapped the tuners over, leaving this as an orphaned neck. The only valuable things, are the neck and pickup. Other than having had a few different sets of tuners, the neck is intact.
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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by irvinz » 04 Dec 2017, 12:00

aphekgreg wrote:
04 Dec 2017, 10:13
I put the neck on my Japanese Jazz yesterday and used it last night. I was very surprised at the change in tone and response. Acoustically, it was much darker sounding, than the stock Japanese Fender neck, with rosewood board. When I plugged it in to use, it was still quite dull, but with a slight eq change on the Flyrig (turning down the lows and mids slightly), it suddenly sounded just like a '70s Jazz Bass! I really hadn't expected that much change. I've swapped maple and rosewood necks before and it's never been this sort of change. I'll record both neck when I swap back to make sure I'm not imagining it. The neck is very thin, but reasonably deep, which I'm not used to and was a bit uncomfortable.

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Re: Betsy, the Fried Egg Bass

Post by BassLine » 04 Dec 2017, 13:52

An Ash (or Maple) body might better suit that neck, a bit snappier than Alder.

Is that a masonite pickup plate? I look at routing jobs like this and don't feel like such a bad luthier.
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