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Re: Future Builds - Maybe Random

Post by drbass » 25 Jul 2017, 14:43

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I showed the red one to my wife, she called it pornographic, I think she meant in a bad way but I can see what she was getting at and I think it's a good thing! Perhaps a more constructive way of putting it is there's a lot going on in that body, the woods, the colour, the shape, the burl etc and it's not to her tastes, but that's totally fine.

I wouldn't mind taking a tour if it's around next time I'm out east, I'd love to see that finish in person.
Not sure I'd use the "P" word here but each to their own :) .

Yes, I'll have it with me on Friday, David was keen on hearing it too.

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Re: Future Builds - Maybe Random

Post by narcdor » 25 Jul 2017, 14:46

drbass wrote:
25 Jul 2017, 14:43
narcdor wrote:
25 Jul 2017, 13:35
I showed the red one to my wife, she called it pornographic, I think she meant in a bad way but I can see what she was getting at and I think it's a good thing! Perhaps a more constructive way of putting it is there's a lot going on in that body, the woods, the colour, the shape, the burl etc and it's not to her tastes, but that's totally fine.

I wouldn't mind taking a tour if it's around next time I'm out east, I'd love to see that finish in person.
Not sure I'd use the "P" word here but each to their own :) .

Yes, I'll have it with me on Friday, David was keen on hearing it too.

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Re: Future Builds - Maybe Random

Post by drbass » 28 Jul 2017, 18:13

Shame this won't be ready for the Melbourne Guitar Show but it is BLOODy close. Remember this will be a satin finish so don't get too excited by the "shiny".



As usual a big thank you to David Searle who is a master with the spray gun :) .

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Re: Future Builds - Maybe Random

Post by basshack » 28 Jul 2017, 18:25

Not sure about the necks on those ones Michael but the bodies are stunning.
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Post by drbass » 28 Jul 2017, 18:30

basshack wrote:
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Not sure about the necks on those ones Michael but the bodies are stunning.
Trying something different with the necks, Blaine ...
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Post by basshack » 28 Jul 2017, 20:52

Taking the lazy approach I see.
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Re: Future Builds - Maybe Random

Post by Classic5 » 28 Jul 2017, 22:26

Shiny looks good to me. But will be interested in seeing how the satin turns out :hmm
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Post by slowlearner » 29 Jul 2017, 12:19

drbass wrote:
10 Jul 2017, 13:51
Bridge done for the 6-tring fretless.





Interesting thing happened. The bridge pieces are ever so slightly wider at the back (probably due to the bending of the base plate to accommodate the ball end hook) without correction after the fact. I based my tone block (which is about 4 mm of wenge over walnut) on the front measurement so now the bridge for the B string (I start putting them on with the C bridge)sticks out to the left maybe one mm at the ball end side. Something to keep in mind for next time since I push them together as hard as I can to get my preferred string spacing (fairly tight).

I didn't notice with Kermit because the pieces were offset due to the multi-scale approach:



All good.

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Post by drbass » 30 Jul 2017, 13:04

slowlearner wrote:
29 Jul 2017, 12:19
drbass wrote:
10 Jul 2017, 13:51
Bridge done for the 6-tring fretless.





Interesting thing happened. The bridge pieces are ever so slightly wider at the back (probably due to the bending of the base plate to accommodate the ball end hook) without correction after the fact. I based my tone block (which is about 4 mm of wenge over walnut) on the front measurement so now the bridge for the B string (I start putting them on with the C bridge)sticks out to the left maybe one mm at the ball end side. Something to keep in mind for next time since I push them together as hard as I can to get my preferred string spacing (fairly tight).

I didn't notice with Kermit because the pieces were offset due to the multi-scale approach:



All good.

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Michael
Go on, make a multiscale fretless... you know you want to! I did it. Go on! :D
It's not the making, Pete - unmarked fretless multi scale is easier to do that a fretted one. I'd never play it, that's the problem ;) .

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Post by drbass » 30 Jul 2017, 13:26

Had a little time on my hands yesterday (finished the housework, including cleaning two cars, earlier than expected).

Sanded the ash bits (don't ask - it's a measuring mishap that relegated this otherwise fine piece to "off cut") to 120 and gave it a very good treatment with a wire brush.
Whole piece, and closeup:




Applied Feast and Watson sanding sealer and then Timbermate ebony filler (couple of applications) OR Feast and Watson spirit-based black timber stain (again, a couple of applications). After it had dried (I have to say I was rather impatient) sanded it back.
Timbermate:


spirit-based stain:


Both required a similar effort for the sanding. The sealer is supposed to prevent (or reduce) any darkening/greying of the timber while retaining the emphasis of the grain. The stain seems to give better contrast but the difference is not as great in real life. Less messy to sand back.

Going towards a proper "ceruse". Three applications of the black stain, and after drying an application of sanding sealer. THEN used a cloth to wipe on a couple of different British Timber pigment-based low sheen paint. The whole section looked either totally blue, or totally red. After it dried I sanded it back.



Interesting result. Looks messy, or "worn" if you like. The paint nicely fills the grain which is great. Problem is that the black simply sanded off so if I want to use this in the future I need something that actually penetrates into the timber - any suggestions would be most welcome.
This would probably work without the black stain - natural ash with a different colour to highlight the grain.

Lastly black stain (3 apps), sanding sealer and then a mix of epoxy and glow stuff. Sanded back (not quite completely, it's a massive pain to sand).
Visible light:

Looks terrible, just a blob of black. A little more sanding would bring this back but of course I'd be left with the natural ash (see point above re penetrating stain).

In the dark - a little more interesting:


Love it in the pic but it's nowhere near as bright in real life - the camera makes it look much more interesting than it is.

Might go for the stain over sanding sealer for the first order, and would love to try the red and/or blue on the replacement Q body. Will keep you updated.

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Re: Future Builds - Maybe Random

Post by slowlearner » 31 Jul 2017, 14:06

drbass wrote:
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It's not the making, Pete - unmarked fretless multi scale is easier to do that a fretted one. I'd never play it, that's the problem ;) .

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Re: Future Builds - Maybe Random

Post by Curto » 03 Aug 2017, 17:55

drbass wrote:
28 Jul 2017, 18:13


As usual a big thank you to David Searle who is a master with the spray gun :) .
Looks awesome Michael! Is this grain filled in with the spirit based stain or grain filler?
And is the blue colour sprayed on or stained?
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Post by drbass » 04 Aug 2017, 06:51

Curto wrote:
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drbass wrote:
28 Jul 2017, 18:13


As usual a big thank you to David Searle who is a master with the spray gun :) .
Looks awesome Michael! Is this grain filled in with the spirit based stain or grain filler?
And is the blue colour sprayed on or stained?
This one is done with Timbermate Ebony grainfiller, without application of sanding sealer (see previous experimental post). I used a VERY damp cloth to apply the filler, seems to make the Timbermate paste a little more "pliable".
Have to say though, I was pleased with the sealer/stain combination, seemed to give a nice contrast.

This (like all my other builds) is sprayed (as mentioned David Searle is a gun with the gun) and will end up with a satin finish rather than the gloss. I am thinking of trying wipe-on poly but have to do more background on that - what I've seen so far looks almost too good to be true ;) .

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Re: Future Builds - Maybe Random

Post by PilbaraBass » 04 Aug 2017, 09:21

That looks amazing!

For a wipe-on, I've used Feast Watson Scandinavian Oil in the past with very good results on maple and purple heart.
Both of these timbers are tight-grained and very easy to do... I've never tried it on an open grain like oak or ash, but I can't see why the results wouldn't be good. 3 or 4 coats, yields a nice satin finish (the more coats, the more glossy)...

http://www.feastwatson.com.au/consumer/ ... tails/1525

By the way, I used what I had left over on tools in my shed (mattock, axe, rakes, you name it :D )

For something like what you've done, however, I would absolutely do a test run before trying it on that beautiful piece.
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Post by drbass » 04 Aug 2017, 15:17

PilbaraBass wrote:
04 Aug 2017, 09:21
That looks amazing!

For a wipe-on, I've used Feast Watson Scandinavian Oil in the past with very good results on maple and purple heart.
Both of these timbers are tight-grained and very easy to do... I've never tried it on an open grain like oak or ash, but I can't see why the results wouldn't be good. 3 or 4 coats, yields a nice satin finish (the more coats, the more glossy)...

http://www.feastwatson.com.au/consumer/ ... tails/1525

By the way, I used what I had left over on tools in my shed (mattock, axe, rakes, you name it :D )

For something like what you've done, however, I would absolutely do a test run before trying it on that beautiful piece.
Thanks, Kerry,

Only just getting my head around the nomenclature - "oil" more often than not (but not always) seems to refer to polyurethane products.

And I don't think I'd just slap this sort of thing on a completed body - way too much work in that :) .

So many options, so much to learn (and if I go down the poly route I'll still have to sort out the stains - Minwax seem to be the only ones to have actual colours rather than just shades of wood colours). I'll get there eventually.

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Michael
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